No claimants get me more incensed than religious bigots who
insist on imposing their beliefs on everyone else. Their incessant drumbeat fouls our politics,
daily life and international activities.
They range from those elected idiots in Texas
trying to pass a law that would ban masturbation on the grounds of “sanctity of
life,” which is just code for conservative Christian views. Or the ignorant, homicidal members of ISIS, who – in various
forms, such as Boko Haram – who kill and torture those with different Muslim
beliefs or attack Westerners with the same misguided and murderous zeal. Or the vicious fools in Israel who
kill Palestinians and laugh about it; or Palestinians who blow up innocent
Israelis with the same twisted sense of humor.
Then there are the incredibly dense Facebook writers who insist
Christians are being persecuted.
Message on board |
In fact, all references to religion should be banned in
public life. Belief is private. It needs to stay there.
The alternative has never been pretty.
The alternative has never been pretty.
Historically, religions have caused untold millions (if not
billions) of deaths for centuries. Pope
Francis made that same observation this year as well. Multiple historians have done the same. Blame
it on monotheistic faiths and their insistence their one god can’t tolerate
rivals.
God's supposed house in ancient Israel |
No group at any time has gone to war to convince others to
be atheists. In contrast, untold numbers
have died because someone wanted to impose a monotheistic religion on them. Jews never had enough power to kill gentiles
willy-nilly, but, when they could, they did.
Christians carried the evil technique to a whole new level.
Of course, believers deny that. To do that, they have to ignore
well-documented history.
Here’s a partial list of murderous religious rampages:
·
Pagans murdered by Christians after Christianity
became the sole religion of the Roman Empire late in the 4th
century. Then Christians turned on each
other. One Roman philosopher asked if
there weren’t enough hills for Christians to commit suicide rather than
constantly killing each other.
·
“Heretics” wiped out for more than 1500 years by
one dominant Christian group or another.
"Witches" being burned |
·
“Witches,” typically inoffensive old women,
killed because of pious belief in such hateful nonsense.
·
Jews killed throughout the centuries in pogroms
and other massacres. Crusaders warmed up
for their murderous task by annihilating Jews in Europe en route to the “holy"
land.
·
Residents of the Middle East killed by the
Crusaders.
·
Civilians wiped out en masse during the 30
Years War. Whole sections of Europe were
denuded of people as Protestants and Catholics fought each other.
·
The many killed during the Inquisition because
their belief wasn’t pure enough.
""Bloody" Queen Mary |
·
The masses of Catholics and Protestants who killed each other starting in the 1400s as rulers shifted alliances. “Bloody” Mary in England is a nice example.
The masses of Catholics and Protestants who killed each other starting in the 1400s as rulers shifted alliances. “Bloody” Mary in England is a nice example.
·
Muslim conquerors who offered the sword or conversion to millions whose land they seized. Jewish kings in the 1st century B.C.E., who did the same thing to Samaritans, who were not the proper sect of Judaism.
Muslim conquerors who offered the sword or conversion to millions whose land they seized. Jewish kings in the 1st century B.C.E., who did the same thing to Samaritans, who were not the proper sect of Judaism.
·
Hindus and Muslims killed each other in India, forcing partition and the deaths of many more in both directions.
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Hindus and Muslims killed each other in India, forcing partition and the deaths of many more in both directions.
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Modern murderers like ISIS and their ilk.
T That's just scratching the surface. Think of the many people across 1800 years whose lives have been blighted, shortened or otherwise damaged by religious dictates. Women have suffered the most, and still endure tremendous hardships because of rules imposed by male-dominated religions
Enough.
T That's just scratching the surface. Think of the many people across 1800 years whose lives have been blighted, shortened or otherwise damaged by religious dictates. Women have suffered the most, and still endure tremendous hardships because of rules imposed by male-dominated religions
Enough.
Former evangelist Dan Barker – who used to get (and maybe still does) royalties from gospel songs from his earlier incarnation – and his wife Annie started the Freedom from Religion Foundation in the 1970s. They were once laughed at and scorned, but their Foundation has expanded over the years, augmented by growing disbelief.
Today, more than 23 percent of Americans eschew religion. They are members of a growing horde worldwide. In some areas, religion has disappeared completely.
Good riddance.
Believe what you want. Just keep it to yourself. No one cares. Just because you believe it doesn’t make it true anyway. It also doesn’t give you the right to impose a belief on someone else.
Adamantly spouting nonsense or ignoring history doesn’t change a thing.
Long-time
religious historian Bill Lazarus regularly writes about religion and religious
history with an occasional foray into American culture. He holds an ABD in American Studies from Case
Western Reserve University. He also
speaks at various religious organizations throughout Florida. You can reach him at woplazarus@aol.com. He is the author of the famed Unauthorized
Biography of Nostradamus; The Last Testament of Simon Peter; The Gospel Truth: Where Did the Gospel
Writers Get Their Information; Noel:
The Lore and Tradition of Christmas Carols; and Dummies Guide to Comparative
Religion. His books are available on Amazon.com,
Kindle, bookstores and via various publishers.
He can also be followed on Twitter.
It so happens, I am the "One" of these "incredibly dense Facebook writers who insist Christians are being persecuted."
ReplyDeleteWhat I posted was a repost from back in Obama's day.
I am preparing an answer to main gist of this one.
Meanwhile, as you mentioned Dan Barker:
somewhere else : What a blooper, Dan Barker from Atheist League!
http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/2011/04/what-blooper-dan-barker-from-atheist.html
It's from seven years back, and that is a week in some Biblical contexts ...
You seem to be an expert in gibberish. I met Dan Barker and his wife some years ago. I have no idea what your problem is, Lack of knowledge is a really killer, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteDid you bother to click the link and first listen to his argument, on video, then read my refutation?
DeleteSome years ago, he made a blooper.
I refuted it seven years ago.
He has not cared to respond.
How about forwarding link to him? Your meeting him really doesn't save his bad argument.
I don't reply to every foolish thing someone writes. You haven't refuted anything. You can't. Facts are facts, especially when juxtaposed to relief. No one was ever convinced b a Facebook posting I just try to inform. I made a blooper seven years ago? Wow. How awful. Thankfully, I never claim to be perfect. I just try to include well-established facts in my blogs. That's good enough for me.
DeleteWhile you include well established, you do not exclude very ill established.
DeleteHere is reacting to your list:
New blog on the kid : Answering William P. Lazarus
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.fr/2018/04/answering-william-p-lazarus.html
"You haven't refuted anything. You can't. Facts are facts"
ReplyDeleteIt is a "fact" none hearing St Paul about the 500 most of whom are still alive could go and check?
Since when?
It is a guess Dan Barker made from nowhere.
"I made a blooper seven years ago?"
Dan Barker did as you would have known, had you checked my post.
"I just try to include well-established facts in my blogs."
As presumably had Dan Barker been trying too.
Unfortunately, such an incapacity in the ancient world is NOT a well established fact.
Unfortunately for his argument, that is. Not per se.
Since I linked to a blog where I told Dan Barker he had made a blooper, why not bring it home to him?
And why do you first pretend to refute that by saying you met Dan Barker and then a second time say you might have made a blooper when it was Dan Barker who made one?
Are you challenged at reading comprehension?
Let me parse some, or rather expound the ellipseis:
Meanwhile, as you mentioned Dan Barker [here is a post I directed to him]:
somewhere else : What a blooper, Dan Barker from Atheist League!
http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/2011/04/what-blooper-dan-barker-from-atheist.html
The title is double:
[on the blog] somewhere else [I posted a post which is named] : What a blooper, Dan Barker from Atheist League!
Let me parse some more:
The blog title, which is visible as blog header, had you clicked the link, means, with the url:
[This is, as Tim O'Neill requested] somewhere else [and] not on Tim's blog round here [where I am as he put it "preaching to atheists"]
And the post title (visible in post header, had you clicked the link) means:
What a blooper [thou hast made, oh] Dan Barker [thou who hailest] from Atheist League.
I hope whatever you took as gibberish and whatever you thought you had refuted by " I met Dan Barker and his wife some years ago," the misunderstanding has been cleared?
Or is that overtaxing your reading skills?
"No one was ever convinced b a Facebook posting"
That is way overdoing your overview over a very much larger corpus of facts than anyone can overview.
I also think even in my own limited experience, there are examples to the contrary.